About Bloody Time. I had such satisfaction putting Tony Abbott last! Shame about that particular seat, but a wonderful result for Australia as a whole. Congratulations Labor!
As someone who could barely get motivated to vote in this election (I lined up at the polling booths at 5:55), I'm curious: What do you expect to actually change as a result of this election?
I expect a greater effort on the behalf of the environment & climate change stuff, also a reduction in the arselicking of the US, and I hope that seeing the backside of Howard will also see the backside of fearmongering. Also hopefully an end to that awful "intervention" in the NT, and hopefully a much better effort for reconciliation and working with indigenous communities than the patronising effort too little too late from the Liberal party. I also look forward to much less of an influence by crazy right wing christian lobbyists in debates about things like equal rights for same sex couples and womens health. And this is just the top of the list that I can think of right now.
Well, I hope you get all of that. Or even some of that. Or even maybe one or two things.
I'm pretty certain that things will be exactly the same though.
I'm pretty narky at the moment, not at the result of the election, but at all of the cheering from people who think that the outcome will change anything at all. Beh.
Heh, we've had the same government for 11 years, so I can see why you'd think that :P Let's wait and see, I'm hopeful that a change will bring change and good change at that, rather than the same old same old we've had for the past 11 years.
well, the main reason that I say that is that (for instance) while Rudd was banging on about Workchoices being scrapped (or toned down?), Gillard was off giving an under the table handjob to small and large businesses to keep them complacent.
[And by under the table handjob I mean that she was promising them that it wouldn't be as bad as Rudd was saying]
In general, I think that in 2 years time everyone is going to be disappointed just for different reasons.
You're expecting that there will be any significant changes at all.
The reality is any significant changes they can make (I heard they were going to remove AWA's for instance) are going to result in job losses and pay cuts. [1] So I'm honestly expecting them to make a few token changes then say "Oh, it's too entrenched, we can't change it. Fuck the liberal party."
[1] For instance, if I move back to my old Award I lose 25 thousand dollars a year.
Okay and while i sympathise with you potentially losing 25k a year, going back to the old system will more likely mean far more people are less fucked over, and some of those people are people on low wages who'd probably be lucky to see 25k a year in the first place.
There have been significant changes made during the previous government, but mostly in directions I have massively disagreed with. Labor isn't perfect and they'll do things I don't like but imo they're far far more likely to do things the way I'd do them than the Coalition was.
tbh though you're starting to sound a little like the old codger shaking his cane at passersby from his rocking chair on the verandah ^^;
I would be the happiest girl in the world if we had preferential voting here. It makes so much more sense! Hillary Clinton would be dead f-ing last on my ballot.
Yeah! Preferential voting rocks :D I think we have one of the better systems in the world -- compulsory voting & preference counting.
Just curious, why would Clinton be last? I have no real opinions either way except that I have a vague leaning to Obama cos of the creepy family thing the US govt has going on atm. Also, must say I'm secretly excited about the potential for a black president for race relations & stuff.
I'm (obviously!) not the person you asked the question of but my understanding of objections to Clinton are that:
1. she was and still mostly is pro-Iraq war and pro-war on terrorism, one of the more hawkish Democrats
2. of the three Democrat candidates she's the one with the most centrist (ie from an Australian perspective centre-right) policies
3. it would probably be a good thing for democracy in the US if they didn't have more than two full decades in which the president is drawn from the same two immediate families
Both preferential and compulsory voting make Australian democracy one of the best in the world imo. There was something that the swiss did that I thought we could adopt, but I've forgotten what it was. :p
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I'm pretty certain that things will be exactly the same though.
I'm pretty narky at the moment, not at the result of the election, but at all of the cheering from people who think that the outcome will change anything at all. Beh.
[And by under the table handjob I mean that she was promising them that it wouldn't be as bad as Rudd was saying]
In general, I think that in 2 years time everyone is going to be disappointed just for different reasons.
Damn it, there goes another fantasy.
The reality is any significant changes they can make (I heard they were going to remove AWA's for instance) are going to result in job losses and pay cuts. [1] So I'm honestly expecting them to make a few token changes then say "Oh, it's too entrenched, we can't change it. Fuck the liberal party."
[1] For instance, if I move back to my old Award I lose 25 thousand dollars a year.
There have been significant changes made during the previous government, but mostly in directions I have massively disagreed with. Labor isn't perfect and they'll do things I don't like but imo they're far far more likely to do things the way I'd do them than the Coalition was.
tbh though you're starting to sound a little like the old codger shaking his cane at passersby from his rocking chair on the verandah ^^;
See me after class.
Just curious, why would Clinton be last? I have no real opinions either way except that I have a vague leaning to Obama cos of the creepy family thing the US govt has going on atm. Also, must say I'm secretly excited about the potential for a black president for race relations & stuff.
1. she was and still mostly is pro-Iraq war and pro-war on terrorism, one of the more hawkish Democrats
2. of the three Democrat candidates she's the one with the most centrist (ie from an Australian perspective centre-right) policies
3. it would probably be a good thing for democracy in the US if they didn't have more than two full decades in which the president is drawn from the same two immediate families